Wall Street Journal on 'Demonizing Dissent'

I've been on the "sedition" watch for awhile -- see here, here, and here -- but the reaction to the health care bill and reaction to the reaction has been something rather beyond ham-handed and ill-conceived denunciations of "tea bag treason." This is serious.

So the Wall Street Journal editorializes Friday:

Democrats in Congress enacted ObamaCare in a process so ugly and so heedless of public opinion that many Americans are rightly angry. But a few people have expressed their anger in ugly and lawless ways. Several Democratic Congressmen say that protesters outside the Capitol last weekend yelled racial slurs at them. Yesterday House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told reporters that at least 10 of his Members have received threatening phone calls. The district offices of four Congressmen have also reported incidents of vandalism.

It hardly needs saying that such behavior is intolerable. Those who commit crimes should be arrested and prosecuted, and racist rhetoric is offensive and should be denounced, as Republican leaders have done.

But the Democrats have seized upon these isolated incidents as a way to demonize opposition. Tim Kaine, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, told the Huffington Post that Republicans are "going to own part of the slurs cast at members of Congress, people vandalizing members of Congress's offices."

If that were the case, then Democrats would "own" attacks on Republicans, too...

The editorial goes on to discuss the shooting at Eric Cantor's office, which is bad enough. Thank goodness nobody was hurt. But the more scurrilous charge may be the "threat" at Sen. Mel Carnahan's home. These sorts of stories can get out of hand quickly. Everyone should take a breath. But then taking a breath might not be politically advantageous.

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Really? After 8 years of

Really? After 8 years of Leftists harassing Karl Rove at his home, George Bush at his ranch, Don Rumsfield at his home? And lest we forget, Leftist Community Organizers harassed/extorted numerous bank presidents into giving low income customers mortgages they couldn't afford, and ultimately would not pay (anyone heard of the mortgage crisis?) oftentimes busing protesters to the bank presidents homes, and even to their CHILDREN S SCHOOLS, we have to be the ones who sit on our hands, and just smile and eat this crap sandwich? Good luck with that.....

RE Really?

Good luck with that.....

So what you are saying is that it is OK to make threatening phone calls, smash windows and doors with bricks and rocks, and cut the gas line at a Representative's family member's home?

RE: RE: Really?

See? We're all falling into the trap, aren't we? I don't think this anonymous poster meant not sitting on his hands means filling them with bricks and rocks to throw. He certainly didn't say so in his comment.

As I comment on this topic, I'm not going to be tricked into denouncing violence every time I suggest that peaceful protest — even protest that is sometimes loud and "disrespectful" — is part of America's tradition. That's the point of those critical of Democrats looking to demonize dissent. It's a cheap attempt to stifle dissent. No sale. Of course I denounce violence. It is not justified at all in a political context, even one as passionate as this one.

I find it curious, however, that when Bart Stupak was receiving threatening correspondence from the left when he was suggesting he'd vote against ObamaCare on pro-life grounds he (1) didn't feel a need to make a huge deal about it and (2) the press also found it not newsworthy.

Lines

"It is not justified at all in a political context, even one as passionate as this one."

When does it leave the political context?
How do we know when it has?

RE RE: RE: Really?

I don't think this anonymous poster meant not sitting on his hands means filling them with bricks and rocks to throw. He certainly didn't say so in his comment.

He's not so stupid to explicitly say so, but I think the implication is pretty transparent.

Anon says:

When does it leave the political context?
How do we know when it has?

If that's not asking when violence is OK, what is it?

As I comment on this topic, I'm not going to be tricked into denouncing violence every time I suggest that peaceful protest — even protest that is sometimes loud and "disrespectful" — is part of America's tradition. That's the point of those critical of Democrats looking to demonize dissent. It's a cheap attempt to stifle dissent. No sale. Of course I denounce violence. It is not justified at all in a political context, even one as passionate as this one.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Who's trying to trick you? Why are you "tricked" if you say that sending faux antrax to a Rep.'s offices is disgraceful? And how on Earth is calling attention to this criminal behavior stifling dissent? Are people seriously less likely to protest the health care law because Democrats and/or the media are bringing the actions of the lunatic fringe to light? I understand not wanting to cede anything to your ideological opponents, but you are sounding a bit irrational.

I find it curious, . . . .

'Tis a shame, indeed. Those that harassed Stupak both when he was against the bill and when he was for it should be charged for their crimes. Oh, damn. I let myself be tricked into denouncing threatening and harassing behavior even when it came from the Left. I better go turn in my Liberal Elite membership card.

"Anon says:

"Anon says:

When does it leave the political context?
How do we know when it has?

If that's not asking when violence is OK, what is it?"

Acutally, asking 'Can we justifiably commit violence now?' is asking 'Is violence ok now'.

Asking 'when does it leave the political context?' is asking 'when does it leave the political context'.

This reach shows that the left thinks anything that is done within the political process is fine and dandy. Provided of course, that what is done is done by Liberals, Socialists, and the DNC. It doesn't matter if what is done is unwanted by the population. It doesn't matter if the political process was a ruse, or if the whole thing was predicated on a falsehood. As long as it was done in the political context, it is justified.

When is civil disobedience merited? Who gets to decide? Answer: The Left will decide, and you will be told when you need to be told.

Haven't We heard many cries over the years from the left that the right has been committing violence through the political process on the left's preferred group?

Supposedly (meaning its probably made up), thousands die every year because the filthy hate filled conservatives don't pay for their insurance. If the filthy greedy conservatives decide to fight the current socialist take over, are they now committing violence to the uninsured? Are they committing violence in the political context? You'd think so with what the left calls people who oppose the socialist take over.

One thing that cannot be refuted: Obama is a divider, not a uniter. And we know the left is all about dividing people into groups so that they can play one against the other.

RE: Demonizing Dissent

I like how the WSJ reported the incident between members of the Congressional Black Caucus and the Tea Party protesters accurate: "Several Democratic Congressmen say that protesters outside the Capitol last weekend yelled racial slurs at them." [Emphasis mine] That's better than what the rest of the MSM has done, which has taken the claim of a racial incident and reported it back as fact.

Andrew Breitbart has offered to donate $10,000 of his own money to the United Negro College Fund if any members of the Congressional Black Caucus can produce evidence the racial slur was shouted at them 15 times. That's the claim, by the way — 15 shouts of "nigger" at members of Congress ... with cameras everywhere (including those held aloft by the entourage itself) and there is not a shred of documented evidence?

As Breitbart notes, even if the word was shouted (too low for cameras to pick up, alas, but loud enough for the members of Congress to hear) wouldn't a few heads have turned toward the sound? From both the members of Congress and the crowd? Nothing like that appears to have occurred. Also, the "spitting" incident seems to be nothing more than a fellow yelling and letting the spittle fly — which is not the same as "spitting" at a Congressman.

I think it's more likely than not that the members of the Congressional Black Caucus are lying about this "racial" incident. And if someone did shout such things at those members, it would be vital to discern if he's actually a Tea Party sympathizer, or a leftist plant attending the event to make the movement look bad (would hardly be the first time this Alinskyite tactic has been used the past 12 months). Asking these questions does not mean one takes charges of racism less seriously. Indeed, it's because they are serious these questions must be asked.

And I think the WSJ Editorial Page has it right: "Their purpose is to divert attention from the abuse of process, bribes and intimidation through which they imposed ObamaCare."

They ain't distracting me.

RE RE: Demonizing Dissent

I think that members of the Congressional Black Caucus allegedly using this incident to create political theater (i.e. lying about being yelled at) is rather minor compared to the actual crimes - you know, those things that are actually endangering people's lives - being committed in protest of this law.

That said, if these law makers were racially accosted, so what? It's a free country*, and whoever called you a "nigger" has the right to do so. Get over your bad self.

*Regardless of what the conservatives will tell you these days. ;)

Non sequitur alert!

I think that members of the Congressional Black Caucus allegedly using this incident to create political theater (i.e. lying about being yelled at) is rather minor compared to the actual crimes - you know, those things that are actually endangering people's lives - being committed in protest of this law.

So ... complaining about what I think the CBC is up to (basically the political equivalent of the Duke Rape Case) is no big deal because of other stuff going on? Sorry. I can consider these two issues separately — because they are separate.

Racism is a big deal in America. So crying "wolf" on race is pretty egregious — especially when the lie is committed in an attempt to malign an entire point of view; i.e. legitimate dissent.

RE Non sequitur alert!

So ... complaining about what I think the CBC is up to (basically the political equivalent of the Duke Rape Case) is no big deal because of other stuff going on? Sorry. I can consider these two issues separately — because they are separate.

Look, if what you allege is true, then I don't disagree with you. And you have the right to complain. It just seems to this reader that you are only harping on one of the bad things that is happening, and the lesser evil at that. But I suppose it is par for the political course to attack those with opposing views instead of those with aligned views, even when you disagree with both groups' actions. I don't mean that snarkily. I don't expect you to come out against every conservative who smashes a window or shoots at someone because they don't like the health care bill. I willing to believe that you don't approve of those types of actions without you expressly saying so. I'm just saying I think one is worse than the other.

So crying "wolf" on race is pretty egregious

Meh.... show me that it is effective and I might consider it "pretty egregious." If they are crying "wolf," then the implication is that it is NOT effective, if you remember your Aesop.

Althouse shoots, and scores

Nice take by the good professor. She's invested in this, because her husband took a bus to Washington, was at the rally, and is appalled that he would be smeared as a racist for simply participating in some good old American protesting. (It's in the Constitution, folks.) He also said he heard no disparaging remarks, other than "Kill the Bill!" and some boos.

Grow up, congresspeople.

When all else falis, count on James Carville

... or the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to elevate the conversation.

RE: Really? After 8 years of

Nice work twisting my point of how the Liberal Left and their Lap Dogs in the LameStream media get the vapors and retire to their fainting couches when alleged instances of Conservative misbehavior occur, as opposed to their reflexive burying of the very real incidences of Leftist violence, minimizing them and making sure they are not blamed on the Democrat party, while keeping them from being widely reported.

In no way did I imply that I approve of violence in response to the collective "fuck you" Democrats gave the majority of Americans who opposed this monstrous health care "reform". It's also instructive how none of the examples I gave were addressed.

How about the New Black Panthers that showed up at the polling place last November, dressed in black, carrying collapsible police batons, and were quoted as telling people as they came to vote "you're gonna be ruled by the black man now, cracker". Affidavits were obtained, charges were filed, and a default judgment of voter intimidation was entered. That is until Obama and his Attorney General showed up, and overruled career lawyers in the Justice Department, and dropped the charges. They have also refused any efforts to get the DOJ to explain the reversal.

Or how about he Washington Post columnist Courtland Milloy who wrote in reference to the Tea Party protestors, I would like to "knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads." Speaking of inciting violence, one Barry Obama was quoted as telling a group of bankers “my administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.” During his presidential campaign, Barack Obama didn’t shy away from confrontation. In fact, he encouraged it by telling supporters to “argue with” opponents and to “get in their face[s].”

The Obama Administration’s confrontational tone included some violent imagery last August, when one White House official encouraged Obama supporters to “punch back twice as hard” against opponents. At an anti-ObamaCare rally in St. Louis, a black man named Kenneth Gladney was handing out “Don’t Tread on Me” flags when he was approached by pro-ObamaCare SEIU union members. One of the men asked Gladney, “What kind of n*%%er are you to be giving out this kind of stuff?” The union thugs then beat him so badly he required overnight hospitalization. The attack was videotaped, and the perpetrators arrested, and will be on trial soon. I must have missed when Obama condemned it, or when the LameStream media castigated Obama for inciting such behavior. Obama’s supporters got the message. They were getting in people’s faces, and they were punching. And kicking. Repeatedly.

The moral of the story is, when violence occurs on the fringes of Conservative movements, it's always their fault. When violence occurs in the course of Leftist protests, it's "speaking truth to power". Keep it up guys, it just makes the Tea Party grow, and grow....

Gladney

The Gladney incident was indeed caught on tape and I watched it. It was quite possibly the shortest, most mellow beatdown in the history of beatdowns. Now, we all know that film lies. But in this case I think we can say it isn't lying about a whole lot. It's mostly people yelling at each other. It's also important to note that "Gladney was not 'hospitalized.' (i.e. Rushed away by ambulance.) Instead, as the Post-Dispatch correctly reported, Gladney 'said he sought hospital treatment.' Kind of a different thing since anyone can walk themselves into an ER and ask to be seen by a doctor.

I'll note, regarding the New Black Panthers, that if you New Black Panthers polling place into Google the top two hits are Fox News and a site called atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com. Reputable sources on why the case -- which was a civil suit -- was dropped? I think not.

RE: Really? After 8 years of

Forgot to include the incident of the victory dinner attended by major Clinton backers, "No, the definitive Rahm Emanuel story takes place in Little Rock, Ark., in the heady days after Bill Clinton was first elected President.

It was there that Emanuel, then Clinton's chief fund-raiser, repaired with George Stephanopoulos, Mandy Grunwald and other aides to Doe's, the campaign hangout. Revenge was heavy in the air as the group discussed the enemies - Democrats, Republicans, members of the press - who wronged them during the 1992 campaign. Clifford Jackson, the ex-friend of the President and peddler of the Clinton draft-dodging stories, was high on the list. So was William Donald Schaefer, then the Governor of Maryland and a Democrat who endorsed George Bush. Nathan Landow, the fund-raiser who backed the candidacy of Paul Tsongas, made it, too.

Suddenly Emanuel grabbed his steak knife and, as those who were there remember it, shouted out the name of another enemy, lifted the knife, then brought it down with full force into the table.

''Dead!'' he screamed.

The group immediately joined in the cathartic release: ''Nat Landow! Dead! Cliff Jackson! Dead! Bill Schaefer! Dead!''

This story comes from that noted Right Wing cesspool, The Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/rahm-emanuel-knife-fighte_n_141...

ReCantor

Oh, and the bullet shot at Rep. Cantor's office? Turns out it wasn't intended for him after all.

"Gunman Shoots up Cantor's office"

I love how the deliberately misleading Fox News headline (footline?) turns out to be factually (if not grammatically) correct.

This may have zero impact on MSM coverage, but ...

Rasmussen finds a majority of respondents think Tea Partiers understand issues better than members of Congress do.

So are 52 percent of Americans racists?

Re: Zero impact

I don't think 52 percent of Americans are racists. I don't think anybody here has said that, either.

But I do think that 52 percent of Americans ... might be wrong. It's happened.

52% of Americans might be wrong

55% of Americans believe that the Constitution establishes a Christian nation.
65% of Americans believe the founders intended the U.S. to be a Christian nation.
Source.

I wonder how much these groups overlap.

Care to pooh-pooh this one?

I will happily pooh-pooh, but not how you think

Well, first of all, I don't think the man who threatened Cantor discriminates on the basis of party:

According to the federal complaint against him, Norman Leboon of Philadelphia has admitted making some 2,000 videos that contained threats. A sampling of his "work" reveals rambling incoherent videos that mix pseudo-religious incantations with random warnings and threats. In one video he addresses President Obama, Vice President Biden, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid by name and says, "Your punishment is coming, the swine, it will be severe, and you will beg for mercy to your god, it will be severe, you will know god's swine, god has warned you." (Some conservatives are already chortling over the fact that Leboon contributed to Obama's 2008 campaign, though it's not clear what that's supposed to signify.)

So you're losing ground there, (R)anon. Beyond that, though, there's a pretty clear difference -- to me, at least -- in the threats against Democratic and Republican lawmakers, in that I haven't seen any Democratic lawmakers saying (like Republicans did), "Well, yeah, violence was wrong -- but you can't blame people for being angry!"

(And incidentally, I haven't read all the comments by the "deranged leftists" at TPM, but they seem pretty solidly behind arresting the guy who threatened Cantor.)

There's violent loopiness on both sides. The difference, from what I can tell, is that the GOP leadership does a better job of making excuses for (and even promoting) the violent loops on there side. It's kind of a critical difference.

Re: Also

Philly represent!

(Sigh.)