The Ben and Joel Podcast: Who's Minding The Score? Edition

Joel Mathis and I take a break from politics to have a wide-ranging discussion about movies and film music with Washington Times critic/Denver film maven Christian Toto and Fistful of Soundtracks host, blogger and fledgling comics writer Jimmy J. Aquino.

Among the vexing subjects we tackle with our guests in this edition:

• Whether Drag Me to Hell is suitable for toddlers and why Sam Raimi should be admitted the Overrated Artiste Club.
• How the symphonic tradition up and moved to Hollywood and whether soundtracks deserve more respect than they get
• Why Ed Asner should be made into an action figure and Walter Matthau was a great if unlikely action hero
• Who deserved to get the Matthau role in the Taking of Pelham One Two Three remake
• Christian Toto's childhood in a Turkish prison
• Remedies for Joel's summer snobbery
• Why comic books may hold more promise as a story telling medium than film or TV
• "And much, much more!"

Alas, none of us had seen UP when we recorded this episode, but if we had, I might have confessed to bawling through half the movie. Because I'm a sap.

After you've listened to the podcast, visit What Would Toto Watch and A Fistful of Soundtracks. And graphic novel fans may want to check out Secret Identities: The Asian American Superhero Anthology, which feature's Aquino's story, "Sampler."

Jim writes on his blog of the experience:

Ben and I are from opposite ends of the political spectrum, but there's one thing we agree on: the awesomeness of the scores of Yoko Kanno, Michael Giacchino, Jerry Goldsmith and Basil Poledouris. Many of the scores Ben and I like are ones that are listenable outside of the movie or TV show. During the chat, I admitted that some of the scores I enjoy and have chosen for airplay on A Fistful of Soundtracks are from movies I've never even seen, like the 1999 cannibal horror flick Ravenous. It's an interesting discussion about music in movies, and I got to talk about aspects of film music and AFOS I haven't even addressed on this blog yet!

I'm sure there's more than one thing we agree on. But he's right!

Music heard in this podcast:

• "High Anxiety Main Title," by Mel Brooks and John Morris (from "High Anxiety: Mel Brook's Greatest Hits Featuring The Fabulous Film Scores of John Morris")
• "Up with Titles," by Michael Giacchino (from "UP")
• "Enterprising Young Men," by Michael Giacchino (from "Star Trek")
• "Chase," by Giorgio Moroder (from "Midnight Express")
• "Making Time," by Creation (from "Rushmore")
• "Main Title," by David Shire (from "The Taking of Pelham One Two Three")
• "The Great Migration," by James Horner (from "The Land Before Time")
• "Brock Graveside," by J.G. Thirlwell (from "The Venture Brothers")
• "End Titles," by Vangelis (from "Blade Runner")

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James Horner?

The poor man's Jerry Goldsmith, who scribed "Wrath of Khan" soundtrack, which (to my way of listening) trumps Goldsmith's fine work on ST:The Motion Picture...

Re: James Horner

Horner did some great stuff in the '80s -- Star Trek II and III and Aliens jump to mind. I love that Land Before Time score, which, I learned shortly after first hearing it a few years ago, Horner sort of dashed off quickly and considered it to be tantamount to hack work. There are some lovely themes in it.

But if Horner's Trek music trumped Goldsmith, wouldn't that make Goldsmith the poor man's James Horner?

(I'm not really sure anyone could trump Goldsmith's Trek theme, which even Horner used.)

Hack Work

That's something I find disturbing, Ben -- that these guys can "dash off" stuff that I have no hope of ever writing, without five more years of study... sigh... I had a roommate like that, once. The name of "The Simpsons" composer escapes me right now, but he does a marvelous job of dashing off really great stuff on a regular basis. The modern master, for me? Carl Stalling -- the great Warner Brothers composer.

Geek admission: I buy CD's of Stalling's work, as well as "real" soundtracks.

James Horner's Wrath of Khan may quote Goldsmith's theme (mostly known from being co-opted by The Next Generation), but I really dug the re-working of the Main Title, and of course the trilling french horn-and-percussion melodrama anytime Khan is up to his old tricks.

Goldsmith "dashes off" lovely bits like the original, ironically delicate ALIEN theme, Star Trek: Voyager, and etc., etc.

Finally, consider the works of Mozart and Bach, and consider how many of those were "dashed off." Awesome.

Re: Hack Work

I love Carl Stalling. I have both of those Carl Stalling Project CDs. Hearing a program about Stalling one morning on a now-defunct classical music station years ago led me to explore the great work of Raymond Scott, which in turn led me to discover the Beau Hunks and the Metropole Orchestra.

And it's awesome to contemplate that Bach was writing a new Oratorio every week. Granted, he recycled a bit, and some of the stuff wasn't very good. But nobody would question that he's withstood the test of time.

Oh, and the name you were looking for is Danny Elfman.

holy cow you guys are great

I was pointed your way by The Incomparable and motivated to give a shoutout in the comments to James Horner, but there it already was. First post and everthang.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to put your RSS feed into my reader.

Best,
-mike

Re: holy cow

Thanks, Mike. Glad you enjoyed it. Just to reiterate what I said at the top of the podcast, isn't all movies all the time. We talk politics and current events primarily. But we hope to get Christian and Jimmy back on again around the end of the year.

J.G. Thirlwell!

First time at this blog and listening to this podcast.

Disagree completely on Drag Me to Hell -- I found it delicious. It frustrates me how I have almost nothing in common with my fellow right of center youngsters when it comes to pop culture.

Love J.G. Thirlwell though. Fantastic inclusion.

Re: J.G. Thirlwell

Thanks, Ben. I love that Venture Bros. soundtrack. I didn't even pick the best track, which is either "Assclamp!" or "No Vacancy!"

You'll have to take up your disagreement with Christian, and I encourage you to do so. I haven't seen "Drag Me To Hell," but I probably won't until it comes out on DVD. Same with the Pelham 123 remake. But I do have the original Pelham One Two Three sitting on my Tivo.

RE: J.G. Thirlwell!

It frustrates me how I have almost nothing in common with my fellow right of center youngsters when it comes to pop culture.

How young are you, Ben D? I was called the "grunge Republican" in college, when "grunge" was ... er .. current.

Dated lots of "hippie" girls. They were perplexed how someone so "wrong" could be so right. My wife was the last one who thought that, as a matter of fact. Lucked out. An artist, she ... turned. Awakened, is probably the better term. We were just talking about that tonight, as a matter of fact.

But enough about me. Let's talk more about me ... er ... I mean conservatives/libertarians being cool when it comes to "pop culture." I haven't seen "Drag Me to Hell," but, like Monkey Ben, will probably Netflix it.

Return weekly. We're not "squares." For crying out loud, this blog was founded on a love of booze!

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