Of tea parties and 'sore losers' (updated)

The new Scripps-Howard column surveys yesterday's tea parties and asks if it's time for a new tax revolt.

I posted my thoughts late last night. A condensed version appears in the column. Also in the column, and over at his Philly Weekly lair*, Joel issues his verdict on yesterday's mass demonstration of anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-debt fervor:

Sad to say, but the tea parties were one of the biggest displays of sore loserdom seen in recent U.S. history.

Sore loser: This guy forget to roll over and play dead on January 20.Sore loser: This guy forget to roll over and play dead on January 20.
I'll leave it to Dr. Zaius to unearth bigger displays of "sore loserdom" from the party of who gave us that tireless phrase, "selected, not elected." But for now I wonder what Joel would have these people do?

He complains that the tens of thousands of people who turned out yesterday, often under less than ideal weather conditions, weren't in the streets months ago. Well, so what? If it turns out that a million or even just 250,000 people around the country took the time to show up for these events, does that mean anything at all? I'm not sure what the answer is myself, but I don't think it's merely "sore loserdom" at work.

Nevertheless, Joel apparently buys the line that the whole thing is just Fox News-driven "astroturf":

No doubt the demonstrations included many people legitimately concerned about the growth of government, regardless of which party is in power. But the glee of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and the rest of the Fox News gang in promoting the tea parties suggests those sincere folks were co-opted by Republican operatives less concerned about free market capitalism and more interested in undermining a Democratic president.

Notwithstanding a couple of caveats about the protesters' sincerity and "legitimate concerns," Joel really doesn't know who these people are, except that they watch Fox News and listen to AM talk radio. These are disaffected Bush voters and "Anybody But McCain" people. These are Palin 2012 fanatics and Ron Paul die-hards. Although I guess they are "losers" in the technical sense of not only having lost the general election but, in most cases, the primaries as well, they've been complaining for a long time. It just took a Democratic president, a reckless Congress, and the prospect of $1 trillion budget deficits every year for the next 10 years to get them together and yelling on street corners and in front of government buildings. This has been a long time coming.
Sore loser in training: This kid doesn't pay any taxes and he's not even old enough to vote! What's he complaining about?Sore loser in training: This kid doesn't pay any taxes and he's not even old enough to vote! What's he complaining about?
Events shape politics. Joel knows this. So do other liberal Democrats who have tried to dismiss the anti-tax, anti-big-government protests. They shouldn't act so surprised.

Joel then goes on to express his dismay at the "alarming rhetoric" on display, which is pretty commonplace at mass demonstrations. Yglesias got all hot and bothered about this, too. And the Huffington Post is touting "The 10 Most Offensive Tea Party Signs," which includes a picture of the Statue of Liberty with her head in her hands. (Qu'elle horror! Have the Rethugs no shame!) "Maobama" = "Bushitler". I guess Obama Derangement Syndrome going to be a fact of life, after all.

Outrageous signs are one of those things we like to focus our attention on -- just peruse Zombie Time's Hall of Shame -- to show how crazy some of our political opponents are. But from what I could tell, there was remarkably little seditious libel or overt displays of imagining the king's death to be found yesterday. Texans -- not unlike San Franciscans -- talk about seceding every few years. Big deal. This is political street theater, after all, not the Oxford Union.

Finally, there's this:

Many carried signs warning of 'taxation without representation,' which is ridiculous: Whether you love or hate the new policies in Washington D.C., they are being crafted and carried out by duly elected representatives of the people.

Wrong year, dummy: This sore loser mistakenly spray painted "1776" on his computer monitor, when he could have just typed in "2009."Wrong year, dummy: This sore loser mistakenly spray painted "1776" on his computer monitor, when he could have just typed in "2009."
"Taxation without representation" -- yeah, that's dumb. One of the problems with this tea party business, and the main reason I've been so ambivalent about it, is that it puts a lot of hope in lightning striking twice. I'm all about recurring to first principles, especially the American Founding's principles, but our situation today isn't Boston circa 1773. It's different, and therefore requires a different response. But beyond decrying (frequently misspelled) slogans on homemade placards, you would do well to actually listen to what these people are saying. It's all pretty much the same thing. The debt is going to kill us. Big tax increases are inevitable. We have to vote the bums out.

Again, I don't know whether this movement will spark a Proposition 13-like tax backlash or what. And I don't think rallies persuade anyone of anything, for the most part. But dismissing this as Joel does -- and as some of his fellow travelers do in a far more contemptuous way -- would be a regrettable error.

* Speaking of regrettable errors, I spelled "lair" wrong in the paragraph near the top of the post. Not a Freudian slip, just carelessness. Sorry.

Update: Tim Slagle at Big Hollywood makes a similar, if a bit more cutting, point:

The popular meme circulating throughout the “unbiased” media yesterday was: The original Tea Party was about taxation without representation but Americans HAVE representation and Republicans are just mad because they lost. The more I twist that in my head, the more absurd it sounds. What they’re really saying is: you are only allowed representation in government if you’re the majority.

Funny how that didn’t seem to be the case in California when Prop. 8 passed. I don’t remember any snide reporter telling a disappointed same-sex couple “Hey, you lost, get over it.” In fact, their protests have been covered by teary-eyed reporterettes (too young to remember Selma) as a modern civil rights struggle. (How is the right to keep your income and raise children free from debt not a civil right?) And the justification of majority Democracy gave no comfort to Prop. 8 opponents who went to court to overturn the majority.

...

If you want to talk about taxation without representation, how about the millions of children who are not old enough to vote; the ones who have been saddled with thousands of dollars of debt in just the past hundred days of this administration? Certainly their voices should be heard, although it’s probably assumed Americans below voting age would have made the same childish misguided decision the Obamaphiles did.

It’s funny how Democrats only support democracy when it skews in their favor. Things like abortion rights, gun control, and nontraditional marriage, are just “too important” to leave up to the electorate. But when it’s a decision to limit salaries, ban smoking from bars, tax the rich, or any other thing the Left wants, populism rules.

I don't think I disagree with a word of that.

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I hope Dr Zaius

lives up to the task you have set forth. I know it would be good!

Nice posting, Ben.

I saw this guy at the San Mateo event yesterday. For a while he would cruise by slowly yelling at people. Later he got out and tried to start arguments in a very loud and aggressive way.

http://www.zombietime.com/global_day_of_action_march_18_2006/IMG_5811.JP...

RE: I hope Dr. Zaius ...

Golly, John. I'm flattered by your excitement to see what I'd come up with. Trouble is, Ben's already covered a lot of them in his main post. That said, a quick Google search has come up with some ...

From Seattle in November 2005:

Several hundred protesters filled Pine Street in downtown Seattle today to protest the war in Iraq and the Bush administration's stance on everything from Supreme Court nomination to reproductive rights.

The protest was organized by the Seattle chapter of World Can't Wait, a group started in New York City in June but that leaders say has since spread to more than 60 major cities across the country. High school and college students walked out of class to join the rally, which organizers say is dedicated to ousting President Bush.

"People who steal elections and believe they're on a mission from God will not go without a fight," said lead organizer Maggie Lawless.

For the record, World Can't Wait takes sore loserdom to heights (or depths) even the worst Clinton haters never did — pursuing Bush administration officials after their out of office. Game's over, guys. Just play some D&D or something to set your mind on other things.

The Democratic Underground kept up the nonsense for the whole Bush presidency and is still obsessing about the man.

And, naturally, the AfterDowningStreet wackos are still at it, rallying weekly in April and May against Bush.

And since I don't feel like going over to Michelle Malkin's extensive collection of Bush Demonography, I'll just go with this picture — which CNN's new monument to ass-hattery, Susan Roesgen, called a mere Bush "look-alike":

The tea party people have a loooong way to go to catch up to such nonsense.

Nicely done, Ben

Attacking the "taxation without representation" meme (which seems to bother Andrew Sullivan a lot, too) makes no sense unless you either really believe a) the United States is a pure democracy with no Constitution limiting the powers of representative government or b) you're a sloppy thinker.

If the Dems won all 435 congressional districts and every Senate seat last November, they still couldn't just shred the Constitution and say, "never mind." Or at least that's not the way our system is supposed to work.

Yes, Obama's campaign was woefully short on domestic-policy specifics. But I can't recall him ever publicly suggesting that the president had the legal authority to fire the CEO of a publicly traded company just because he was disappointed in the business's performance (or whatever bogus reason was given for axing Wagoner -- who I'm no fan of either). Besides, Obama ran against profligate deficit spending. You don't think people have some cause to object to his policies now that he's in office?

Jumping in quickly

I've got a couple of other things to do, and I want to give this a fuller response. But quickly:

I tried to give the demonstrators their due by recognizing that many were sincere and had legitimate concerns. I don't think -- nor did I say -- the protests were entirely a Fox News creation: There's real discontent out there. I'll concede that a lot of it has been out there since before the election -- Ben, I know that you in particular were not a fan of George W. Bush's un-conservative conservatism. Fine.

But you'll forgive me if I look at the people who recently jumped to the head of the rabble -- Hannity, Beck, Malkin et al -- and see folks whose critiques of expanding government were very muted these last few years ... until a Democrat took office. They couldn't have staged the protests unless there was some real discontent to tap into, but that discontent didn't coalesce on a mass scale (outside of Ron Paul fandom) until the organs of Republicanism/conservatism decided to help organize it. I can't help but be cynical about the timing and purpose of that, and I make no apologies for my cynicism.

That said: I take the demonstrators very seriously. But Ben, what do you want me to do? Take demonstrators seriously when they talk about hating taxes -- but not when they talk approvingly about secession? Or armed revolt? Or shedding blood? Or -- forgive me -- revolution? I'm supposed to believe that words and ideas matter and have consequences -- except when they don't? Or am I supposed to believe that the public comments of governors, congressmen and seemingly mainstream commentators actually represent the fringe of conservatism?

Hmm. Gonna be a HOT podcast this week!

But Joel, what good is a bandwagon

... unless you find the perfect moment to leap to the front of it?

I don't listen to Hannity (I thought he was still doing the show with Alan Colmes, for what that's worth) and pay no attention to Beck, but you're just wrong about Malkin. She's not a gate-crasher or an opportunist in the way the other guys might be. (Again, I don't listen to 'em, so I have no idea what they were saying in September.) She was involved with a large, mid-February anti-bailout rally in Denver. And she was pretty riled up about TARP, etc., in the fall, before the legislation passed, if memory serves.

I'll be interested in your follow-up.

I'll also say that

some non-fringey people believe that the expanded role of regulatory agencies since September has been nothing short of a revolution, even if it was bloodless. It may require some extremely drastic reversals of policy to restore the pre-TARP status quo. Not that I'm advocating armed revolt.

why is it

that I often have to resort to a 'fringe' source like Infowars to find an adequate assessment/prediction ?

"In fact, the Fox News and the Republican leadership have subverted the tea party movement because it represents an effective grassroots way to organize against the corporatist and bankster plan to increase the size of government and load-up on the federal debt.

Of course, the globalist bankers in control of both the Democrat and Republican parties are not about to let that happen.

On April 15, as demonstrations kick off around the country with Republicans in control and steering the show — and the ACORN, Kos, and Huffpo Democrats in opposition — the tea party movement will be reduced to an absurd and partisan politics circus sideshow of the kind the corporate media loves. "

http://www.infowars.com/republicans-and-democrats-determined-to-turn-tea...

any objections?

RE: Why is it?

John,

No matter where you read othewise, the fact is that the tea party movement began with individual bloggers and amateur political activists. They organized these things, virally, using the Internet. It was not a Republican Party/corporate interests production. RNC chairman Michael Steele asked to speak at the Chicago rally. If the Republicans organized it, would he even have to ask? For the record, the organizers told him he wouldn't be given the microphone.

The likes of Hannity, Fox News, FreedomWorks, the FairTax coalition, etc. glommed on to the movement very late in the game. And, at any rate, their involvement/enthusiasm for the tea parties doesn't diminish why they were held, who really organized them, and what the message was.

Just where and what is the republican leadership?

Is it Newt Gingrich on Fox? Is it Fox News? I have no problem with Steele being asked to speak in Chicago.

But I ask, who is driving the train in terms of general perception? It is big corporate interests who are controlling history in this country. These glommers-on swooped in and undermined the grassroots feeling of the whole thing - and now they toss plastic grenades back and forth making themselves the story. Yes, they were organized via the internet, but who knows that now? April 15 is gone. Case closed. whew! What should we go after today?

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